tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post8796028718160613972..comments2023-04-16T17:16:03.832+10:00Comments on Reckless Endangerment: "House of Numbers" - dishonest and unscrupulous misrepresentation of MontagnierSnouthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-49203384709747098452011-03-24T16:56:53.167+11:002011-03-24T16:56:53.167+11:00Gene, the comment rate on this post has slowed dow...Gene, the comment rate on this post has slowed down a bit lately (currently clocking in at approximately one comment per solar year), but did you follow the... ummm... <i>relatively</i> recent exchange about profoundly stupid arguments from authority?<br /><br />And are you the same "Gene" (Gene Semon) who posted:<br /><br /><i>"It seems to me that Val Turner’s expertise qualifies him as the <b>world’s leading authority on cross-reactive antibodies</b>"?</i> <br /><br />Someone posted it here on October 25, 2006 at 12:16 PM:<br /><br />http://tiny.cc/sed02<br /><br />God, I hope that wasn't you.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-36265549170363390472010-03-06T03:10:04.776+11:002010-03-06T03:10:04.776+11:00Snout,
I'm just wondering how you know that M...Snout,<br /><br />I'm just wondering how you know that Montagnier isn't talking about chronic infection:<br /><br />"Montagnier is clearly talking about them 'naturally getting rid of it' in the few weeks post exposure. This is what he has been talking about throughout this segment. It doesn’t occur to him that Leung is suggesting that Africans (why only Africans?) might be able to clear the virus following the establishment of chronic infection. Not realising that Leung is a denialist, he takes for granted that everyone knows that following seroconversion for HIV, the infection is permanent.<br /><br />Have you asked him what occurred to him or not during Mr Leung's follow up question. It's a follow up Snout, Montagnier has already given an answer on "transient exposure".<br /><br />Maybe he is familiar with mechanisms that establisk "latency", i.e. what's documented by HIV researchers for those with undetectable RNA "viral load"?<br /><br />This has also been shown BTW for those who do not go on HAART -for "long term non-progressors".Eugene Semonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01244938718674491061noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-78575066078175448552010-02-11T01:16:34.162+11:002010-02-11T01:16:34.162+11:00I think a native English speaker probably would ha...I think a native English speaker probably would have used a word like "academic" rather than "intelligent". Montagnier's command of English isn't perfect (although it's infinitely better than mine is of French). <br /><br />So no, I don't think he was trying to suggest that African governments have their health policy dictated by the CIA or other "intelligence" organisations.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-91611120322390106992010-02-10T12:51:37.181+11:002010-02-10T12:51:37.181+11:00concerning a small detail in the transcript: there...concerning a small detail in the transcript: there it says "...intelligent institutions". I first understood "intelligence institutions", which would make more sense to me - at least in terms of meaning, if not in terms of science.<br /><br />have i misunderstood that passage, or is that not relevant?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-31955915265223951812010-02-03T17:11:57.545+11:002010-02-03T17:11:57.545+11:00What Montagnier is talking about is quite clear to...What Montagnier is talking about is quite clear to anyone familiar with the basic science. Sure, it would be interesting to have more details on the “transitively HIV positive” samples he observed, and I’m sure if he thinks these worth writing up he will. I doubt these represent seroreversion from confirmed HIV positive status, but rather transient appearance of some reactivity on some antibody tests, sometimes with evidence of transient viremia. And then it disappears and the person remains HIV-antibody negative and uninfected. This phenomenon doesn’t appear to be common, but it does happen. I actually touched on this briefly in an earlier post: http://snoutworld.blogspot.com/2009/01/bauers-basic-factual-howlers-i-very_19.html<br /><br /><br />Montagnier is just one scientist out of hundreds of thousands who has made a contribution to solving the problems of HIV/AIDS. He and his team at Pasteur did some crucial early work in the early 1980s (for which he and Françoise Barré-Sinoussi were recently rewarded with a trip to Sweden, and he has done other valuable work during his long career. However - and this is something the dissidents seem to be having some trouble grasping – this doesn’t make his opinions any more “extremely important”. Scientific fact is not established according to what Someone Important thinks. It is established by evidence. <br /><br />If the <i>Washington Post</i> ever broke a story proving that Robert Gallo had kept his mother chained up in his basement for decades and was also (heaven forbid) mean to puppies, it would make no difference to what we know about HIV/AIDS. If Tony Fauci called a press conference tomorrow and announced, “Nah, I was just kidding you – I reckon it was the poppers all along,” it would make no difference to the facts. If <i>Le Monde</i> announced that Montagnier had decided HIV was in fact brought to earth by a flying saucer full of Kary Mullis’ glowing space raccoons, it would not make the slightest difference to HIV science. (We’d just mark it off as another example of Post-Nobel-Syndrome. It wouldn’t be the first time.)<br /><br />The really bizarre thing is that the denialists like Leung and his backers think that if Montagnier has an opinion outside the usual range of the “mainstream” this will make the slightest difference to the facts. The annoying bit is when they go to such lengths to deliberately misrepresent him in order to give the illusion of such opinions when he doesn’t hold them. I’d be really pissed off if I were him.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-72103856629811749322010-02-03T02:43:46.709+11:002010-02-03T02:43:46.709+11:00"...But that wasn't the point of my post ...<i>"...But that wasn't the point of my post - it was to point out how the HoN team and their supporters have deliberately misrepresented Montagnier..."</i><br /><br />And I question why you make this your priority when what Montagnier says is so extremely important with regard to how "AIDS" should be handled by those with power -especially in Africa.<br /><br />Why aren't you interested in finding out more about what Montagnier is saying, instead of trying to convince yourself (and others) that he isn't saying anything that requires the attention of the orthodoxy? If you think what he says is important then why don't you do something about making the orthodoxy pay more attention to his words?<br /><br />Here's once more what I wrote:<br /><br />"Maybe it would be wise of you and other "anti-denialists" to support some of the things the "denialists" do every now and then. It would make a much bigger positive impact for the people of this planet to promote Montagnier's views in order to improve the western approach to "AIDS", instead of spending time with things like "fighting denialism". These are not mutually exclusive anyway. You take the criticism made by the critics seriously, you adjust your behavior to address the issues, and consequently the critics are forced to move on... eventually having nothing left to criticise maybe...<br /><br />What do you think?"<br /><br />And with regard to this:<br /><br /><i>"Montagnier was speaking in French for the French version of Nexus, and his comments were translated into English for the RA post"</i><br /><br />If you suspect that the translation misrepresents his views, then maybe you should try to get hold of the original french text, no? Did you try, or does it feel safer to be merely suspicious, instead of risking to find out that your suspicions may be wrong?<br /><br />You can email and ask <a href="http://www.terraincognita.fr/page1/page1.html" rel="nofollow">Djamel Tahi</a> about it.<br /><br />Will you?<br /><br />I quote from Tahi:<br /><br /><i>"..It is very regrettable that Brent Leung, the young American film director who recorded Professor Montagnier’s words, did not encourage him to reveal what was behind such assertions. On what scientific studies are they based? Have those studies been published anywhere? We want to know if those people, whose “good” immune system has been able to eliminate the virus, still had traces of the infection. If so and if we believe that Professor Montagnier’s assertions are right, there would therefore be millions of HIV–positive people around the world, living in a state of perpetual anxiety of developing AIDS even though they do not have the virus in their bodies! A good many of them follow a treatment whose side effects are extremely toxic and can be detrimental to their health. This information is crucial, and the people who are concerned should be immediately informed so that they are aware of the virus’ harmlessness and can stop their treatment as quickly as possible. But what should then be the clinical and biological standards that could allow the determination of whether an infection has actually been neutralized and the virus suppressed? If, on the contrary, these people are HIV–antibody–negative (which should be, to say the least, very surprising), how is it possible to prove they’ve been in contact with the virus if it has not left any trace of its brief stay?<br /><br />As we clearly see, this statement by Professor Montagnier is far from being insignificant and casts a serious doubt on many aspects of the AIDS research, such as the syndrome’s pathogenesis and aetiology to start with.<br />...<br />That is why, today, Professor Montagnier’s remarks have lead to the urgent need for clarification of his position regarding the causation of AIDS. This is the least we have every right to expect from a Nobel Prize laureate in Medicine."</i><br /><br />I agree that clarification is of extreme importance. The only obstacle is an unwillingness to clarify. Ask yourselves where that may source from... and why.sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-24001198567994054312010-01-26T17:52:21.594+11:002010-01-26T17:52:21.594+11:00I think it clarifies to some extent what Montagnie...I think it clarifies to some extent what Montagnier is talking about, but I think the term "HIV positive" is highly problematic here, and I'm not sure whether it was the original term used by Montagnier or whether it was the choice of the translator. (Montagnier was speaking in French for the French version of <i>Nexus</i>, and his comments were translated into English for the RA post).<br /><br />In English, "HIV positive" implies a confirmed diagnosis of HIV infection using multi-test algorithms, not merely transient seroreactivity short of the criteria necessary for a confirmed diagnosis. <br /><br />I suspect Montagnier is referring to the latter: there are only a couple of cases of true seroreversion following a confirmed HIV positive diagnosis that I'm aware of, and I'd be surprised if Montagnier had come across another one - let alone a series - without publishing.<br /><br />As director of the reference lab at Pasteur he would have been in a position to observe pretty well all the "problem sera" from HIV testing in France - those that look as though they might be evolving over time toward full seroconversion (for example a mildly reactive EIA with indeterminate WB in a person highly likely to have been exposed) but then stop short and revert back to negative. There are a number of these in the literature, some with PCR or culture evidence of <i>transient</i> viremia, but they are quite rare. Certainly there are many cases in which the evolution of full seroconversion has been observed over multiple serial samples, and it's pretty unusual for the process to reverse itself midstream.<br /><br />The first question is does this represent initial infection that the immune system is able to prevent progressing to chronic infection? I think that's quite possible.<br /><br />The next question, though, is whether the differences in the efficiency of this immune mechanism could account for the epidemiological differences between the West and Africa? I think this is doubtful, because it seems to be a rare event, at least as far as we are able to detect. I think there are far more plausible explanations, particularly in the different serotypes involved in the African and Western epidemics, and the extremely high rates of undiagnosed HIV infection in many parts of Africa.<br /><br />And the third question is: even if such immune responses to initial infection were the primary determinant of a chronic infection outcome, is diet the principal determinant of how "good" that response is?<br /><br />I don't think Montagnier's hypothesis is a crank one, but it's not well-supported by evidence, and I suspect it's wrong. Which is fine - lots of perfectly reasonable scientific hypotheses turn out to be wrong.<br /><br />But that wasn't the point of my post - it was to point out how the HoN team and their supporters have deliberately misrepresented Montagnier to make out that he's saying something completely different to what he intended. As he says himself, his comment was <i>"taken out of its context in a film that glorifies the “Dissidents” and posted on Internet by a website [just the one, Luc?] that is searching for polemical debate."</i><br /><br />Whatever else he might be right or wrong about, he is spot on there.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-58056806225179882142010-01-25T09:27:36.631+11:002010-01-25T09:27:36.631+11:00Take a look:
Speak out, Monsieur le Professeur Mon...Take a look:<br /><i><a href="http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Content/QA/tabid/169/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">Speak out, Monsieur le Professeur Montagnier! - Djamel Tahi</a><br /><br />“My statement—taken out of its context in a film that glorifies the “Dissidents” and posted on Internet by a website that is searching for polemical debate—is based on observations I made while I was director of the Centre of reference on AIDS virology at the Pasteur Institute: we actually met several cases of persons being transitively HIV–positive for a few months and then turning HIV–negative again.<br /><br />This is difficult to detect, keeping count of the furtive nature of the infection, but, when applied to AIDS, it simply reflects a general phenomenon that can be found in many viral infections: under the effect of a good immune response, these will disappear after a few weeks.<br /><br />In the case of HIV, this explains the enormous disparity of prevalence between the North (0,1% in our countries) and the South (5 to 10% in Africa). In southern areas, for a lot of reasons (such as co–infections or malnutrition), the immune system of many Africans is weakened and allows chronic infection to HIV.<br /><br />These cases of people being transitively HIV–positive do not minimize the dangerous nature of HIV, which remains the key factor in the onset of AIDS, but they suggest that a regression of the epidemic can be obtained in Africa by taking general health measures.”</i><br /><br />So apparently he's not just talking about a brief period before seroconversion, he talks about "positive" people "turning HIV-negative again". These people's "positivity" may very well be no different than those of the vast majority of the regular "HIV positives".<br /><br />Also he basically states that co–infections and malnutrition are the things that make the most difference when it comes to determining the prevalence of "positivity". Were his views widespread, the west's approach to "AIDS in Africa" -maybe in other continents too- would change dramatically, for the better.<br /><br />Maybe it would be wise of you and other "anti-denialists" to support some of the things the "denialists" do every now and then. It would make a much bigger positive impact for the people of this planet to promote Montagnier's views in order to improve the western approach to "AIDS", instead of spending time with things like "fighting denialism". These are not mutually exclusive anyway. You take the criticism made by the critics seriously, you adjust your behavior to address the issues, and consequently the critics are forced to move on... eventually having nothing left to criticise maybe...<br /><br />What do you think?sadunkalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05237465910243455615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-51166702767454609142010-01-14T20:16:03.418+11:002010-01-14T20:16:03.418+11:00Cher Luc
Je traduis pour vous ainsi vous comprenez...Cher Luc<br />Je traduis pour vous ainsi vous comprenez complètement la stupidité totale que vous avez démontrée dans la Maison documentaire récente de Nombres. Parce que vous êtes de manière sélective stupides - assez élégant pour comprendre la différence entre la "clairière du virus" et "le fait de non permettre au virus de passer le seuil" et encore assez stupide pour pas comprendre que vos propres mots de votre propre bouche - me laissent patronisingly expliquent. VIH la mort de moyens et si vous jamais, exposez jamais autrement, vous vous trouverez dans les bottes concrètes au fond du Loire.<br />Veuillez agréer les sentiments distingués<br />Le débauché de singe (le Pipi de geai Moore)French Letternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-52728915368095367482010-01-04T08:54:51.033+11:002010-01-04T08:54:51.033+11:00Quite right, Anonymous.
It seems that if an inter...Quite right, Anonymous.<br /><br />It seems that if an internet rumor starts suggesting you might be a Professor of Something-Or-Other at the University of Western Australia it can very quickly get out of control, and even end up published as fact in such closely researched books as Peter Duesberg's or Janine Roberts'.<br /><br />Which is why I took pains when I set up this blog to nip any such speculation in the bud.Snoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-70254494880559895902010-01-03T22:16:10.693+11:002010-01-03T22:16:10.693+11:00Have you noticed that all of the examples you quot...Have you noticed that all of the examples you quote are sources other than the Perth Groups own site? <br /><br />And they differ quite a lot regarding their titles? <br /><br />So if I didnt read your credentials well and published your title mistakenly as professor Esnout of Aidstruth, then whose fault is that? Mine or yours?<br /><br />Fact is, that on their own website, from the horses mouth, the Perth Group does not publish titles they do not hold. <br /><br />It is not uncommon for the media or journalists to get credentials wrong. Especially if you get published a lot - such as the PG.<br /><br />This isn't the same as Robert Gallo claiming to have discovered HTLV-3 when in fact he only re-discovered the french LAV virus, and blamed it on contamination. I'd say that clearly is taking credentials the wrong way wouldn't you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-37211587917818213832010-01-03T19:56:45.667+11:002010-01-03T19:56:45.667+11:00"About the authors: biophysicist Eleni Papado..."About the authors: biophysicist Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos and the phycicians [sic] <i>who sit with her on the faculty</i> of the University of Western Australia's medical school."<br /><br />The Final Act - authored by the Perthians<br /><br />http://www.rethinkingaids.com/Portals/0/RaArchive/1999/RA9912PapadopFinalAct.html<br /><br />"Australian medical professor Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos has independently questioned the HIV hypothesis since 1988"<br /><br />- Duesberg, P: Inventing the AIDS Virus p 152<br /><br />"The way to treat AIDS has been evaluated in great detail by Professor Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos of the Royal Perth Hospital ..."<br /><br />www.rethinkingaids.com/portals/.../Janine%20Roberts%20-%20AIDSgate.pdf<br /><br />"So is Professor Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, a biophysicist from the Royal Perth Hospital in Australia who doubts that HIV even exists. ..."<br /><br />www.healtoronto.com/mbeki/Juni.rtf<br /><br />"Eleni Papadopulos Ph.D. is a Professor of Medical Physics at Royal Perth Hospital, a teaching hospital at the University of Western Australia. "<br /><br />http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/books/epbmother.htm<br /><br />"Eleni Papadopulos Ph.D. is a Professor of Medical Physics at Royal Perth Hospital, ... Papadopulos-Eleopulos et al give a summary of their hypothesis that ..."<br /><br />www.healtoronto.com/hivtest.html <br /><br />"Eleni Eleopulos, MSc. Professor of Medical Physics University of Western Australia Perth, Australia..."<br /><br />www.aliveandwell.org/html/top_bar_pages/aboutus.html <br /><br />"An international group of academics headed by Dr Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, Professor of Medical Physics at the Royal Perth Hospital , Australia..."<br /><br />www.sparks-of-light.org/listscientists.htmSnoutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-49365722169277026702010-01-03T10:46:56.787+11:002010-01-03T10:46:56.787+11:00So we can ask questions? Without censorship or del...So we can ask questions? Without censorship or deletion? Thats great :) Because I have one.<br /><br />"Just like "Dr" Eleni Eleopulos-Papadopulos and Valendar Turner, Snout has never been Professor of Anything at the University of Western Australia."<br /><br />This is what you say at the top of your blog right? But when I looked up the Perth Groups website, it doesn't say anywhere that Eleni or Valender are Professors at the University of Western Australia. <br />Except for Emeritus Professor John M. Papadimitriou, who is also listed as a member of the Perth Group. So why are you implying that Eleni and Valender are claiming to be Professors at UWA, with John actually being an Emeritus Professor at UWA?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-74614911936308892352010-01-02T13:34:21.423+11:002010-01-02T13:34:21.423+11:00Anonymous (whereistheproof):
I'm happy to lea...Anonymous (whereistheproof):<br /><br />I'm happy to leave your post up, even though it is copy-paste spam you've distributed to multiple other websites.<br /><br />I have gone against my usual policy and removed a couple of posts from this thread in recent days. I have done this because they included embedded links, and their suspected author is well known for attaching malware such as tracking software and even viruses to such posts that are activated when unsuspecting readers click on those links. <br /><br />A couple of them purported to be from individuals they clearly weren't from.<br /><br />None of the deleted posts contained any substantive points, and were merely abusive and insulting for the sake of it. Normally I prefer to leave such posts as they say much more about their author than about their intended targets, but the possible malware links made them unwise to leave unmoderated.<br /><br />As you can see from the thread above, I don't remove posts that are merely irrelevant, abusive, libelous, silly or clearly the product of disturbed individuals.<br /><br />So you are quite free to post here, provided you don't embed malware, or do other stupid things like try to jam threads with the same comment over and over.<br /><br />What I would suggest (from past experience of my dealings with you) is that if you do ever get around to "asking questions" or "demanding answers" that you be prepared to listen to and engage with the replies.<br /><br />Otherwise you just highlight yourself as a troll.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-61172431529704931302010-01-02T06:51:06.909+11:002010-01-02T06:51:06.909+11:00I wonder how long you will the previous post onlin...I wonder how long you will the previous post online. Or will it be censored?In Memoria Dr. Robert Willner.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-59407116256371301672010-01-02T06:46:43.204+11:002010-01-02T06:46:43.204+11:00May 2010 be the year when this huge HIV=AIDS fraud...May 2010 be the year when this huge HIV=AIDS fraud will finally find its end.<br /><br />So that we can grief and remember all those that fell victim to this lie.<br /><br />To remember and honour those that heroically stepped forward to tell the world the truth.<br /><br />And to hold those accountable that continue to perpetuate this genocide.<br /><br />Lets be clear about what is at stake: millions of lives are at risk here.<br /><br />Hundreds of thousands have been told they will die if they do not take ARV's.<br /><br />Our governments have been corrupted by Pharma, pressing our representatives to push their drugs on us.<br /><br />We are being discriminated against, our children are taken into state custody if we disagree with ARV treatment options, we are sentenced and locked up and paraded like freaks in the media when it is suspected that we passed on a virus that yet has to be isolated and to be shown that it causes AIDS. <br /><br />We are called 'Holocaust Denialist'. and while our lives pass by those who started this lie make a living off this tragedy. <br /><br />Many of us believing what they were told now live in isolation. Our human rights are at stake.<br /><br />May 2010 be the year where all this changes. The year when Gallo and his henchmen are held accountable. <br /><br />The year when our doctors once again rediscover the meaning of the hipocratic oath. When governments once again realise that science can not be left to greed.<br /><br />I will continue to ask questions and more importantly I continue to demand the answers we all deserve. <br /><br />In this spirit and hopeful as ever that this great human tragedy will soon find an end, I wish you all a great 2010.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-31381599461771914822009-12-17T20:53:07.254+11:002009-12-17T20:53:07.254+11:00Blah Blah Blah Blah Blaaah, FuckwitBlah Blah Blah Blah Blaaah, FuckwitAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-9474123959419101612009-12-16T02:29:08.300+11:002009-12-16T02:29:08.300+11:00Snout,
Thanks, sweetie, for your concerne, howe...Snout,<br /><br /> Thanks, sweetie, for your concerne, however smart ass you're trying to be...you can't deny the absurdity of your thinking processes. Have a great day!<br /><br /> P.S. Nice pic ;-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-45015136499128786652009-12-15T23:02:12.169+11:002009-12-15T23:02:12.169+11:00Just the one, Fulano?
I'm still not sure what...Just the one, Fulano?<br /><br />I'm still not sure what to make of Marco. Originally I felt certain his intent was satirical, but there have been numerous denialists I've formed the same opinion about (including at one time a certain Henry H. Bauer), and I have been repeatedly proven wrong in my judgement.<br /><br />*whimpers*<br /><br />Anonymous, it's time to get your keyboard serviced. Your caps-lock seems to be sticking.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-85697795338412998622009-12-15T17:15:46.863+11:002009-12-15T17:15:46.863+11:00When Leung asks Montangier:"If you take a poo...When Leung asks Montangier:"If you take a poor African WHO"S BEEN INFECTED( note: he talks about a poor African who's already been infected - meaning the virus started ravishing poor African's body) and you build up their ummune system, is it possible for them to also NATURALLY(without toxic chemotherapy drugs)get rid of it(HIV)?" Montagnier responds:"I WOULD THINK SO...It's important knowledge that is completely neglected. People always think of drugs and vaccines". And later "Water is key". Where is in this interview A Prominent scientist, Nobel Prize winner underlines the importance of getting rid of HIV WITHIN FEW WEEKS OF INNITIAL INFECTION IF THE IMMUNE SYSTEM IS GOOD, BEFORE GETTING CHRONICALLY INFECTED??? Leung specifically asks Montagnier IF ALREADY INFECTED AFRICAN (AND) YOU BUILD UP - key sentence BUILD UP THEIR IMMUNE SYSTEM - GRADUAL PROCESS, OBVIOUSLY WHICH TAKES TIME THAT HAPPENS DURING SOME TIME - DAYS, WEEKS, MONTHS AND NOT!!! JUST FEW WEEKS, BUILDING UP THE WEAKEND IMMUNE DEFFENCES TAKES TIME. HOLY COW! Montagnier - HIMSELF - says loud and clear HE WOULD THINK SO, IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET RID OF INFECTION REGARDLESS OF TIME OF THE INNICIAL INFECTION. LOOKS LKE SOMEBODY'S LOOSING THEIR CASE...HA HA...THE END IS NEAR!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-84171172405237013402009-12-15T15:06:04.611+11:002009-12-15T15:06:04.611+11:00Not to be outdone, Henry Bauer has put Leung to sh...Not to be outdone, Henry Bauer has put Leung to shame in the self-validating distortion category. He refers to "Luc Montagnier’s view that HIV is a consequence and not a cause of immunedeficiency" <a href="http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2009/12/11/useless-imaging-tests-and-the-aids-scam/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.<br /><br />I'll let you ponder the fevered spasms of the denialist mind that led to that one.<br />Un abrazo,<br />Fulano de TalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-33582737784631818952009-12-14T21:51:12.565+11:002009-12-14T21:51:12.565+11:00Couldn't have said it better SarahCouldn't have said it better SarahAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-80909570693168622602009-12-13T11:48:59.451+11:002009-12-13T11:48:59.451+11:00This bullshit about the Maggiore Autopsy is just c...This bullshit about the Maggiore Autopsy is just crazy and incredibly weird.<br />Why are the NOT releasing the actual autopsy? Why this report of the report? That is the real question. AND why one year later??<br />Come on people. Wake the fuck up!<br />This is just some weird tactic to focus attention elsewhere. It is just some smoke screen which will backfire on them. People are not so stupid that they will not want to see the real autopsy report.<br />And the Al~Bayatti report is very strange discussing her health for the two years before her death. WTF? <br />And he throws in the new info that Maggiore had P. jeroveci in her lungs! Previously it was said she had bilateral pneumonia, but now Al~Bayatti gives further proof that Maggiore did have an AIDS defining illness BESIDES the herpes infection.<br />Come on. Grow up. Stop playing games. This is a life and death illness.<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-35522722007092464522009-12-12T16:51:29.245+11:002009-12-12T16:51:29.245+11:00James, you tell me.
Does Montagnier believe that ...James, you tell me.<br /><br />Does Montagnier believe that HIV can be cleared by diet <i>after</i> chronic infection has established, or was he talking about clearing an <i>initial</i> infection? <br /><br />Hint: "I think this [treating oxidative stress] is one way to approach, to decrease the rate of transmission, because I believe HIV we can be exposed to HIV many times <b>without being chronically infected</b>, our immune system will get rid of the virus within a few weeks..."<br /><br />Doesn't get much clearer than that.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-22206558402984521962009-12-12T15:51:28.500+11:002009-12-12T15:51:28.500+11:00Snout, now you've sunk to being a denialist yo...Snout, now you've sunk to being a denialist yourself. Denying what Montagnier actually says! Still I guess the guy who got the Nobel for his research in this field is wrong and you are right, again. Do you have a particular theory as to why the co-discoverer Gallo was omitted from this honour, I'm eternally interested in your view on this one.Jamesnoreply@blogger.com