tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post376844762804566555..comments2023-04-16T17:16:03.832+10:00Comments on Reckless Endangerment: Your comment is awaiting moderation... (part two)Snouthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-43295217759680369032009-08-29T13:09:58.945+10:002009-08-29T13:09:58.945+10:00By Jehovah, that question is itself a Shibboleth, ...By Jehovah, that question is itself a Shibboleth, discriminating between people who knowingly chuckle about its origin, and those who process it into a Bauerian canard, declaring that the difference between a duck is that one of its legs is both the same. <br /><br />Without even knowing it (I would not stoop to suggest that he is in this thread under a false moniker, a sock puppet promoting his own arguments) Henry Bauer has thus generated another Shibboleth, using us here as his instruments. I would laud him to his face for this generous act, but he is saintlily [sic] immune to praise; to him it is like a duck falling off a wetback.Rev. Howard Furstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-34467691671036916662009-08-28T23:30:24.714+10:002009-08-28T23:30:24.714+10:00Yes, but Reverend, there's a crucial logical q...Yes, but Reverend, there's a crucial <i>logical</i> question about any shibboleth.<br /><br />Does it weigh the same as a duck?Snout's Elkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04266195516374421870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-4256141380582667222009-08-28T12:39:12.427+10:002009-08-28T12:39:12.427+10:00But the word "canard" IS a most excellen...But the word "canard" IS a most excellent shibboleth! To me it means "duck"; to Prof. Bauer or others familiar with the practice of deceit, it may mean "a falsehood passed off as truth". So by saying "shibboleth" while actually meaning "canard", Prof. Bauer is in fact correct, at least in his own mind. Unless, of course, he believes that a shibboleth is a duck, in which case I shall ask him to step into the vestibule and convince me that he is wrong.<br /><br />Adamantly yours,<br />Rev. Howard FurstRe. Howard Furstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-51040677949944315802009-08-27T09:57:27.191+10:002009-08-27T09:57:27.191+10:00Even if there were no evidence to support it the p...Even if there were no evidence to support it the phrase "HIV causes AIDS" is not a shibboleth. Nor are "HIV is a sexually transmitted disease" or any of the other things that Bauer calls shibboleths. Try walking into a room and saying "HIV causes AIDS". You'll just get funny looks.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk<br /><br />I suspect that Bauer means something more like canard.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-11782348416007073082009-08-26T23:28:35.984+10:002009-08-26T23:28:35.984+10:00As someone who has only evolved the capacity for l...As someone who has only evolved the capacity for language during the past couple of weeks, I am fascinated by Henry's use of the word "shibboleth".<br /><br />A shibboleth is a signifier used to identify a member of an in-group from someone on the outer - and vice versa. In its narrowest sense a shibboleth is a word whose different pronunciation can be used to distinguish the cultural or social origins of the speaker. More broadly, a shibboleth can be virtually <i>any</i> cultural touchstone - for example from popular culture, slang, or jargon, familiarity with which can be used as a test of inclusion or exclusion from a particular group.<br /><br />What is interesting here is that Henry uses the term to refer (as Senor de Tal points out) to what most recognise as validated scientific knowledge.<br /><br />While I have yet to evolve the capacity for scientific reason I think it is importa- hang on, I just spotted a big juicy grub over there: catch you later.An Homininhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04653817872520281560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-82068445106983475302009-08-26T04:56:29.376+10:002009-08-26T04:56:29.376+10:00Fulano,
'shibboleth' does not mean what Ba...Fulano,<br />'shibboleth' does not mean what Bauer seems to think it means, despite it being one of his favourite words.<br /><br />A word that is pronounced differently by Americans and Australians could be a shibboleth. A word or phrase used by almost exclusively by a group of people could be a shibboleth.<br /><br />Bauer uses the word 'shibboleth' a lot (incorrectly) that doesn't make it a shibboleth.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-5067209836248813922009-08-26T00:32:20.475+10:002009-08-26T00:32:20.475+10:00Thank you Snout, for getting us back on topic. I m...Thank you Snout, for getting us back on topic. I meant no disrespect toward "Sabine Kalitzkus" but only wanted to point out that Bauer allows such silly, ad hominem posts, that contain no relevant information, when they come from his followers, while rejecting constructive comments that actually add to the discussion, only because they point out flaws in his argument.<br />It is also interesting that he indulges discussions of pseudoscientific topics like the Loch Ness monster and the blood-type diet.<br />But maybe I am expecting too much from someone who believes he has refuted well-established findings on the basis of his laughably misguided analyses:<br /><br /><b>Fulano de Tal</b> said<br /><i>Your comment is awaiting moderation. </i><br />Tuesday, 18 August 2009 at 10:31 pm <br />Querido Henry:<br />I’ve discovered another shibboleth! Talking on the cell phone does not increase the risk of traffic accidents. I know this because since 1998 cell phone use has gone up tenfold while traffic fatalities have decreased by more than 20%!<br /><br />But seriously, you can see how my analysis is flawed. Cell phone use only affects traffic accidents if you talk while driving. And it is only one of many things, some of them also changing, that affect traffic accidents. So obviously, the lack of a correlation of cell phone rates and traffic fatalities over time says nothing about the risks associated with talking on the phone while you’re driving. <br /><br />In your attempt to expose the shibboleth of the connection of STDs with HIV you make the exact same mistake. It is perfectly possible for STDs to have a large effect on the transmission of HIV, but at the same time to be negatively correlated with incidence of HIV in the population. In an introductory statistics textbook, you will see this issue discussed in the section on interaction effects. <br /><br />It has been shown, very compellingly, since at least 1999, that ulcerative and non-ulcerative STDs greatly increase the susceptibility to HIV and the transmissibility of HIV. This is the result of many studies. See: http://sti.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/75/1/3.<br /><br />So it is not a shibboleth; it is validated knowledge. I hope you will correct this mistake.<br /><br />Abrazos,<br />Fulano de Tal<br /><br />ReplyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-26681371288034690252009-08-24T12:42:36.160+10:002009-08-24T12:42:36.160+10:00Reverend Furst, I doubt there is a pair of trouser...Reverend Furst, I doubt there is a pair of trousers in existence with back pockets large enough to accommodate the vast numbers of multi-hued swatches Henry would need to carry...<br /><br />... And thank you for your kind words, Ms Kalitzkus, and also for linking my blog from the comments section of Henry's website.<br /><br />Thank you also for your illuminating insights into the sexual signaling customs of a particular small subculture in certain US cities during the 70s and 80s. <br /><br />I'm sure there are many readers of <i>HIV Septic</i> like Senor de Tal and myself, who have been puzzled by Henry's moderation criteria for comments, and comparing our erudite Spanish friend's unsuccessful submissions with yours will help clarify the obscure workings of Henry's mind and help us compose posts more in keeping with his interests.<br /><br />What is obvious, though, is that Henry is not interested in polite critical examination of the negligent and lethally stupid medical "advice" he has taken on himself to propagate through his website. This is not surprising given the fundamentally political rather than scientific motivations behind his retirement hobby.<br /><br />While sociological observations and... err... fairy tales such as yours are not unwelcome here, the main purpose of <i>Reckless Endangerment</i> is to expose the inept and vacuous pseudo-scholarship of Henry's "work" on HIV and AIDS, so that the political and psychological pathology underpinning it may become more evident to his readers.<br /><br />Thank you for dropping by, and thanks again for the link-love.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-20949539264454954322009-08-24T10:33:09.644+10:002009-08-24T10:33:09.644+10:00While the Hanky Code did in fact originate among t...While the Hanky Code did in fact originate among the Sodomites, an adaptation of it is currently thriving among Believers, where it has prevented countless misunderstandings between people with incompatible belief systems. <br /><br />http://www.postfun.com/pfp/features/97/august/hankies.html<br /><br />Perhaps this system could be adapted to accomodate the myriad beliefs and points of view along the forked spectrum of HIV-AIDS Denialism to Faith. That would save a lot of unfriendly arguments and bad feelings, as people with wrong ideas often appear perfectly reasonable before they open their yaps.Rev. Howard Furstnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-18190019456424421032009-08-24T00:13:01.122+10:002009-08-24T00:13:01.122+10:00OK, Sabine, let's say you are YOU.
You are jus...OK, Sabine, let's say you are YOU.<br />You are just a bit delusional if you think that gay men actually subscribe to this "hanky code". I have seen a list of these monikers and my friends and I laughed, blushed, groaned with disguist and then never thought about it again.<br />I am under the impression that the hanky code was more a product of the 70's and mostly in large cities. In the entire 6 book series called "Tales of the City" by Armistead Maupin, there is only one mention of the hanky code.<br />So, nice try SK. Next time try a less obscure reference.<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-74784427675209956542009-08-23T15:47:24.644+10:002009-08-23T15:47:24.644+10:00“Snouty”, “Fulano de Tal”, “Köpek Burun” et al.:
...<b>“Snouty”, “Fulano de Tal”, “Köpek Burun” et al.: </b><br /><br />Snouty, my dear, did you know that you made me very happy? I never expected myself to be capable of making an adult, tough, <i>gay</i> man blush by doing nothing more spectacular than mentioning the hanky code in my comment #10 on this page:<br /><br />http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2009/07/12/official-italian-data-no-causal-connection-between-hiv-and-aids/<br /><br />Obviously there are unknown abilities hiding in me. You are right, I should dig them all out now. They were hiding for too long…<br /><br />I understand that it was the color I mentioned in my comment which made you blush, so I apologize for this. I thought about this problem for some time, so I think <i>paisley</i> suits you more than… Though I’m not sure whether the hanky should be worn on the left or on the right, considering your devoted submission to authoritative dogma, I would recommend the right hand side for you.<br /><br />“I’m sorry to dirty your site again with this truly disgusting quote (you probably don’t know what the brown hanky refers to, or ”caviar and golden rain,” so you are fortunately spared the full depth of ”Ms. Kalitzkus’s” depravity).”<br /><br />I’m honestly surprised to listen to a <i>gay</i> man who – in the 21st century! – marks the hanky code and parts thereof as “dirty” and “disgusting”. Sorry, Snouty, I can’t take you seriously on that.<br /><br />I admit to have committed an ad hominem attack in my above mentioned comment. There were even two of them – one against Hitler, the other one against Mussolini. So what?<br /><br />The rest was – come on, Snouty, you can’t have missed it – a <i>fairytale</i>! I’m not in the habit of kicking my friends out of the house, why should I? I invented this friend just to please you – and your esteemed friend Kalichman of course.<br /><br />And now, my dear Snouty, let us talk seriously. In your post "Your comment is awaiting moderation... (part two)" you said:<br /><br />“As ”exhibit A” I include, while blushing, the following quote from someone calling themselves Sabine Kalitzkus:”<br /><br />Snouty, darling, I understand that it is very difficult for someone who has many identities at their disposal, to even imagine somebody who has nothing to hide to show their real identity. It might disappoint you, but it was my parents who gave me the name that confuses you, it wasn’t me, though I think my parents have well chosen. I like my name.<br /><br />Should you have any more problems with me and/or my name, <i>behave like a man</i> and discuss matters with <i>me</i>! There’s no need to ask Henry to “reveal” my identity. This <i>is</i> my identity – believe it or not.Sabine Kalitzkushttp://freiesdenken.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-63793621202392163402009-08-19T14:39:28.022+10:002009-08-19T14:39:28.022+10:00Muchas gracias JTD.
I'm sure that Snout does n...Muchas gracias JTD.<br />I'm sure that Snout does not want this to become Fulano's vanity blog, so I will post more of these here in the comments.<br />Reply to <a href="http://hivskeptic.wordpress.com/2009/08/06/don%E2%80%99t-wrestle-with-pigs/" rel="nofollow">Don't wrestle with pigs</a>.<br /><br /><b>Fulano de Tal said</b><br /><i>Your comment is awaiting moderation.</i><br />Thursday, 6 August 2009 at 12:38 pm<br /><br />Querido Dr. Bauer,<br />I would like to make a few responses to your latest post, in the hope that you have had a change of heart and will allow open discussion on your blog.<br />1. You are wrong think that only AIDS denialists are subjected to ridicule and shunning by legitimate scientists. As a young researcher myself, there is tremendous pressure on me to be productive and to allocate my time responsibly. There is no way I can justify to my senior colleagues the amount of time I have spent engaging in discussions with people who are hopelessly misguided and completely irrelevant. If you think I would be admired and rewarded for spending time offering my services to denialists – time that would be much better spent in scientific research – then you are wrong.<br />2. Fulano never claimed to believe that HIV causes AIDS. Nor did Fulano ever try to convince you or your readers that HIV causes AIDS. The fact that your work is riddled with errors that undermine every substantive point you put forth does not prove that denialism is wrong and science is right.<br />3. I can understand that you might be embarrassed by someone pointing out so many basic mistakes in your work. In that case, it would be better for you to set up a blog under a pseudonym. That way you can benefit from peer review and be spared the embarrassment.<br />4. If you don’t believe that I am really Fulano de Tal, does that make my criticisms of your work less valid? If someone points out a mistake you have made, it is still a mistake, whether the person who brought it to your attention is Fulano de Tal, ‘Common Cents,’ or ‘Dave’ You can delete my comments, but why not take advantage of the opportunity to correct the mistakes in your writings?<br />5. I defy you to prove that ‘Sabine Kalitzkus’ is a real person. It is unimaginable that someone would attach their real name to the toxic waste with which she pollutes your site.<br /><br />Abrazos,<br />Fulano de Tal<br /><br />ReplyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-41592778300721512832009-08-19T06:36:19.434+10:002009-08-19T06:36:19.434+10:00Good Luck Fulano. I know you feel like you are in...Good Luck Fulano. I know you feel like you are involved in an exercise in futility, but at least you are keeping Bauer on his toes. IF he has any morals or scruples at all, your facts I am sure, make some kind of impact.<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.com