tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post2043972028566000499..comments2023-04-16T17:16:03.832+10:00Comments on Reckless Endangerment: The seriously dysfunctional family of HIV/AIDS denialismSnouthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comBlogger170125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-17892587106414007742010-06-14T03:36:17.377+10:002010-06-14T03:36:17.377+10:00I like your portrait. It explains why your typing ...I like your portrait. It explains why your typing (I hesitate to call it writing) is so poor. You couldn't find your ass with both paws, much less any cognitive competence. Whoof whoof.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-65205793802802351972010-04-06T11:32:23.256+10:002010-04-06T11:32:23.256+10:00McDonald is Claus Jensen...McDonald is Claus Jensen...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-34069737041767067892010-01-26T18:24:22.866+11:002010-01-26T18:24:22.866+11:00Yes, Truman, I have long supected that Duesberg...Yes, Truman, I have long supected that Duesberg's vocal insistence that HIV is nothing more than a harmless passenger virus is just a smokescreen to cover up his own personal involvement in the development of HIV as a biological weapon. He was doing so under the orders of the Illuminati, operating thtough their representatives in the US government.<br /><br />Valendar Turner and Eleni Papadopulos are, in reality, shape-shfting alien reptilian humanoids, who are conducting a fake war with him to enhance his cover.<br /><br />This is definitely the most obvious explanation for the structural and genetic homology between HIV and other lentiviruses.Snouthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00315836146914661895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-64043890445148913372010-01-25T08:29:30.186+11:002010-01-25T08:29:30.186+11:00Excellent, Chris Noble, and I'd like to add th...Excellent, Chris Noble, and I'd like to add this concerning the similarities between visna virus, which was originally brought to Iceland from Germany by Karakul rams to infect the Icelandic sheep as part of an experimentation to gauge its pathogenicity. <br /><br />"Nucleotide sequence of the visna lentivirus: relationship to the AIDS virus." by Sonigo P. Alizon M et al.<br /><br />"We have determined the complete 9202 nucleotide sequence of the visna lentivirus. The deduced genetic organization most closely resembles that of the AIDS retrovirus in that there is a novel central region separating pol and env. Moreover, there is a close phylogenetic relationship between the conserved reverse transcriptase and endonuclease/integrase domains of the visna and AIDS viruses. These findings support the inclusion of the AIDS virus in the retroviral subfamily Lentivirinae."<br /><br />I've been studying so-called HIV (HLTV-3) constantly since l997 and it is obvious that it's a synthetic virus, constructed as a combination of Elizabeth's Priori ESP-1 virus (Gallo pretends that it's a murine virus), coding regions from a known animal pathogen from Germany (Visna) and an enhancer of the replication capability of visna, which is a mycoplasma.<br /><br />The rethinkers" squabbling is a good cover for the truth that HIV was the endgame in a long attempt to find an animal virus that would infect human beings. The entire genomes of both visna and HIV are available online. You can run the BLAST program to identify similarities. <br /><br />It should also be noted that so-called "SIV" is of similar origin as HIV, but is not the precursor of HIV. They were both part of the same animal testing programs. SIV was vectored into experimental lab monkeys that were released back into Africa so that HIV could be claimed to have been derived from it via species jumping.<br /><br />Truman Green<br />Surrey BCTruman Greenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18142365706227372139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-53694902968885966152009-12-15T09:24:26.352+11:002009-12-15T09:24:26.352+11:00Snout, did you know that you are a "scientifi...Snout, did you know that you are a "scientifically illiterate nobody" and I am an "idiot"!!<br />I could not be more proud! How about you?<br />JTDjtdeshonghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09881997315363701292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-46094252766534906172009-12-13T14:59:54.754+11:002009-12-13T14:59:54.754+11:00Yeh they are obviously being paid to spoil the pos...Yeh they are obviously being paid to spoil the posts. How they can live with themselves taking money from the purveyors of death I don't know.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16730382222491375866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-10563539673390226212009-12-12T15:58:01.124+11:002009-12-12T15:58:01.124+11:00Buskerbob, you're not related to sideshow bob ...Buskerbob, you're not related to sideshow bob are you? Anyways if you read this drivel here it's apparent there is a four-way-daisy-chain operating between Snout, DeShong(the idiot), Seth and Moore. I wouldn't be surprised to find the whole scientific consensus emanates from this intellectual and moral black hole.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-61248725185742092082009-12-12T13:26:43.815+11:002009-12-12T13:26:43.815+11:00Snout, a thousands thanks to you!(Comment by Eddy)...Snout, a thousands thanks to you!(Comment by Eddy)<br /> Snout does know better,(Comment by Snout )<br />Great blog by the way, Snout!(Comment by Will )<br />As Eddy said:(Comment by Will)<br />Is this the same will that says: Allow me to demonstrate my superior scientific knowledge here...and<br /> Pompous, arrogant, and down right stupid...Eddy, Snout and myself…<br />Will A.K.A Eddy A.K.A Snout. <br /> Your'e busted Snout<br /> http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2009/11/18/hiv-film-dangerous-and-misleading/#Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16730382222491375866noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-58527265575636014442009-12-08T18:33:21.388+11:002009-12-08T18:33:21.388+11:00Just to make it clear that Macdonald is misreprese...Just to make it clear that Macdonald is misrepresenting Montagnier here is another paper.<br /><br />http://www.annals.org/content/103/5/689.abstract<br /><br /><b>Recent data indicate that the lymphadenopathy-associated virus (LAV) is morphologically similar to animal lentiviruses, such as equine infectious anemia and visna viruses. This finding, together with the cross-reactivity of the core proteins of LAV with those of the equine infectious anemia virus and a similarity in genome structure and biological properties, allows LAV to be placed in the retroviral subfamily of Lentivirinae.</b>Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-28342998416869802252009-12-08T13:00:11.298+11:002009-12-08T13:00:11.298+11:00Now, what was so dishonest about quoting Montagnie...<b>Now, what was so dishonest about quoting Montagnier (I think it is p-r-e-t-t-y obvious in the context who I am referring to when I say "a certain Nobel Prize winner")? Who am I allowed to quote?</b><br /><br />If you are going to cut and paste from the Perth Group then just say so.<br /><br />Again if you spent more time reading real scientific literature rather bthan the cherry picked offerings of the Perth Group you might actually learn something.<br /><br />Look at Figure 1 in this paper.<br /><br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16425963<br /><br />MVV sits in the phylogenetic tree with HIV, FIV, BIV and SIV. All of them are identified as lentiviruses based on sequence similarity and similar genomic organisation.<br /><br />Your authority, Montagnier, is also quite clear that HIV is a lentivirus based on its morphology and genome sequence. Why you cite Montagnier to apparently argue the opposite is a complete mystery.<br /><br /><b>Look out, Brave Sir John, I will catch you later, and then we'll take it up a few notches, you being a virologist and all, spectacularly unsuccessful of course but a virologist nonetheless(-;</b><br /><br />Of course everybody is afraid of your brilliant intellect. The guy standing on the street corner with spittle drooling from his mouth is under the same delusion.Chris Noblenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-14912175256505005982009-12-07T19:25:19.036+11:002009-12-07T19:25:19.036+11:00Perhaps the researchers at AIDS Inc have been perf...Perhaps the researchers at AIDS Inc have been performing their experiments on a nony mouse or should that be nony mice?Anti Micenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-80921636367037026352009-12-07T19:20:22.538+11:002009-12-07T19:20:22.538+11:00I saw some blog somewhere and John Moore was bragg...I saw some blog somewhere and John Moore was bragging about having gone to the same school as John Cleese. Initially I was mildly surprised until I realised that both have made a career out of farce.<br /><br />"Your not the consensus John, you're just a naughty little boy."Anti Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-8560179722746460372009-12-07T18:43:52.841+11:002009-12-07T18:43:52.841+11:00Dear Anti-Anonymous,
Snout is a scientifically il...Dear Anti-Anonymous,<br /><br />Snout is a scientifically illiterate nobody, as are Noble, Bergman, Kalichman and the other AIDStruth fall guys. <br /><br />The simple reason for this is that nobody with a career in hard science wants to sign his/her name to the kind of self-contradictory nonsense Dr. Duke and other generic Anonymouses have spewed in this thread.<br /><br />That would be career suicide twice over.<br /><br />Did you not see how busy John Moore got saving livelihoods, notably his own, somewhere else as soon as I announced I was going to ask him about a little virology and philosophy of science 101?<br /> <br />Moore is not the sharpest oyster in the brothel, but he knows better than agreeing that a standard lentivirus can measure 240nM and replicate furiously for decades. <br /><br />As an honorary inhabitant of Kuru & Prion Land, he is at least dimly aware where that road leads.<br /><br />Look out, Brave Sir John, I <i>will</i> catch you later, and then we'll take it up a few notches, you being a virologist and all, spectacularly unsuccessful of course but a virologist nonetheless(-;MacDonaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-48525884510021331292009-12-07T15:11:03.131+11:002009-12-07T15:11:03.131+11:00I've been missing Prof Moores rantings over th...I've been missing Prof Moores rantings over the last few days, so much so that I've done a little research on him over at Cornell. It's safe to say that he often goes by other anonymous tags on this and other blogs. He should look at his own syntax when trying to be someone other than himself. The give-aways are lines like "you really are silly" quite British old boy and as good as a signature. The other obvious thing is that he is an under-achieving intellectual lightweight. Moore appears to have spent moore-time self pleasuring by rubbing various ointments on to the private parts of Macaque Monkeys than any actual research. Nothing of what he has produced has been of any actual worth. He has 3 specialities;<br /><br />1: looking at finding drugs that act as entry inhibitors.<br /><br />2: Failed vaccine research.<br /><br />3: Attending conferences to talk about denialists.<br /><br />All of these are heavily sponsored by his pharma buddies in addition to his university salary. It is a part of Moores occupation and professional duties at Cornell to spend time arguing with denialists, the very thing he states he wont do. If it wasn't sanctioned how does he get away with spending so much of his working day and university computer time doing it? Moore is at the heart and is one of the protectors of the HIV=AIDS=PHARMAPROFITS=RESEARCHGRANTS=PERSONALWEALTH paradigm. Attempting to get any admission of failure from him would be harder than getting Satan in to Church. Fair to say his sycophantic mates like $NOUT and $ETH are on the payroll too. I get the Snout joke too! The Ovine Resources Director has his Snout in the Pharma Trough.AIDS DOCTORhttp://www.gsk.com/index.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-28172088969352329912009-12-07T09:54:06.232+11:002009-12-07T09:54:06.232+11:00"I'd like to say..."
Anonymous, jus..."I'd like to say..."<br /><br />Anonymous, just say it.<br /><br />"... that Maniotis has committed career suicide as a result of what he did to Lambros, and what he is doing to Kim."<br /><br />"But he has no career, as he committed professional suicide several years ago."<br /><br />How is it possible to commit suicide twice?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-85150260853092034462009-12-06T12:31:52.052+11:002009-12-06T12:31:52.052+11:00Dear me, anonymous threats. The molecular signatur...Dear me, anonymous threats. The molecular signature of Brave Sir John.MacDonaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-22482487053147301972009-12-06T09:43:36.391+11:002009-12-06T09:43:36.391+11:00Dr Duke, McDonald is unquestionably "Dr"...Dr Duke, McDonald is unquestionably "Dr" Andrew Maniotis. Instead of posting farcical nonsense about isolating retroviruses, you would think the man would be spending his time preparing his pathetic defense against civil and criminal charges he'll be facing over his role in the AIDS death of Lambros Papantoniou and, in the near future, sadly, over the AIDS death of Kim Bannon. In both those cases he has serious personal culpability that he will have to pay the price for. That would be the rational thing to do, but of course Maniotis is not remotely rational.<br /><br />I'd like to say that Maniotis has committed career suicide as a result of what he did to Lambros, and what he is doing to Kim. But he has no career, as he committed professional suicide several years ago. Now, I would not want to be in his shoes in the world of Greek professionals. Lambros's friends are influential and have long memories. They will help ensure Maniotis pays the price for his actions. As will the civil and criminal law.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-60820433156760654562009-12-06T03:03:04.442+11:002009-12-06T03:03:04.442+11:00Dr. Duke,
You definitely qualify for the Nancy D...Dr. Duke, <br /><br />You definitely qualify for the Nancy Drew Prize. <br /><br />I am here admittedly and explicitly to argue the Perth Group's perspective and you stain your pants with glee over discovering occasional sequence homology between my quotes and those of the Perth Group, or my arguments and theirs?! <br /><br />Well, whatever makes your day, Sherlock.<br /><br />Now, what was so dishonest about quoting Montagnier (I think it is p-r-e-t-t-y obvious in the context who I am referring to when I say "a certain Nobel Prize winner")? Who am I allowed to quote? <br /><br />For you it is apparently an evergreen to go on about PG "actively misleading" people in a discussion about early papers by an well known fraudster like Gallo. Dies the irony still escape you? Did you miss that part of the Montagnier quote?<br /><br />When I suggest that even Montagnier is having a laugh about the ethical and scientific quality of Gallo's early HIV papers and the standards of the journals who published them, you affect horror of my low methods. Lighten up, Dr D., remember the saying instituted by a certain religious figure comparing motes and beams, then you might get it.MacDonaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-18327148793546499362009-12-06T00:58:19.820+11:002009-12-06T00:58:19.820+11:00The phylogenetic tree link above is currently brok...The phylogenetic tree link above is currently broken. It <a rel="nofollow">refers</a> to:<br /><br />Evolutionary Origin of Human and Simian Immunodeficiency Viruses<br />Gojobori, Takashi; Moriyama, Etsuko N.; Ina, Yasuo; Ikeo, Kazuho; Miura, Tomoyuki; Tsujimoto, Hajime; Hayami, Masanori; Yokoyama, Shozo<br />Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of Ame, <br />Volume 87, Issue 11, pp. 4108-4111Dr. Dukehttp://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005PNAS..102.8000Nnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-80513664698365343192009-12-06T00:51:01.734+11:002009-12-06T00:51:01.734+11:00In case anyone is wondering. The HIV-1 M group su...In case anyone is wondering. The HIV-1 M group <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/326417" rel="nofollow">subtype B isolate BRU</a> protease plus RT proteins are 40% identical to the Visna/Maedi virus <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/808756" rel="nofollow">isolate SA-OMVV</a> protease plus RT proteins.<br /><br />This tell us nothing until we put it in perspective with other viruses. The HIV-1 M group protease plus RT is 62% identical in amino acid sequence to <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Taxonomy/Browser/wwwtax.cgi?id=11709" rel="nofollow">HIV-2</a> protease plus RT proteins. It is 73% to 88% identical to various SIV chimpanzee isolates that have been sequenced to date.<br /><br />Taken all together, the relationships between the viruses creates a <a rel="nofollow">phylogentic tree</a>, which tells us <a href="http://www.phylogenetictrees.com/origin_of_hiv.php" rel="nofollow">MUCH more</a>.Dr. Dukehttp://www.phylogenetictrees.com/origin_of_hiv.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-71806647800321900062009-12-06T00:25:04.430+11:002009-12-06T00:25:04.430+11:00MacDonald also demonstrates that the Perth Group i...MacDonald also demonstrates that the Perth Group is still actively attempting to mislead people, not just pretending to be ignorant of virology. Not being a lawyer, I am not sure if this is technically <a href="http://www.edgarsnyder.com/legal-dictionary/w.html" rel="nofollow">willful negligence</a> or not. But I suspect there is some legal definition of why it was not good to go to South Africa and present the government with clever misinformation like this with the aim of killing South Africans.<br /><br />Whether or not Luc Montagnier actually wrote those words, they are easy to prove false. Or more correctly it is easy to prove that his use of the word "significantly" in this context, is the important detail. Luc did not say his LAV isolate from patient BRU, was less than 78% identical to some given isolate of Visna, or anything precise, so we are left wondering exactly what he meant by "not significantly related" in this context.Dr. Dukehttp://www.physics.smu.edu/pseudo/AIDS/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-70685287980605026802009-12-06T00:12:57.666+11:002009-12-06T00:12:57.666+11:00Mac Donald wrote
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The two sets of finding...Mac Donald wrote<br />"...<br />The two sets of findings proved entirely false, and nothing from these two articles holds any longer. We were beginning to seriously wonder whether Science was not starting to compete with the Journal of Irreproducible Results! The Pasteur team, to clear the matter up, also unraveled the Visna virus sequence in record time…there was no significant homology between the Visna and LAV sequences.<br />..."<br /><br />Oh! That is so rich! What an excellent lesson in <a rel="nofollow">pseudoscience</a> with so much rolled into one post!<br /><br />1) It is known as "quote mining". If you search the universe and find one tidbit of language which makes your case, while all of the other evidence proves you wrong, and you use it in your argument; it is called "<a href="http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Quote_mining" rel="nofollow">quote mining</a>". <br /><br />2) The quote is alledged to be from a noted expert, Luc Montagnier, so it is also using a pseudoscience technique called "<a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority.html" rel="nofollow">Argument from authority</a>". Even better, MacDonald only refers to him as a Nobel Laureate, rather than telling us who it is wand when or where he said it.<br /><br />3) In response to yesterday's note from me, that MacDonald seemed interested in learning, and not just here to misinform, he (or she) comes back hours later with post that seems aimed at either proving that MacDonald is in fact a part of the Perth Group, or that MacDonald is himself intent on misleading people, or both. The quote is taken from an <a href="http://www.theperthgroup.com/HON/PGHONFakeQuestionsDec042009.html" rel="nofollow">internet post</a> that was made public yesterday, Dec 4, 2009.<br /><br />I think this warrants a new card for <a href="http://snoutworld.blogspot.com/2009/03/aids-denialist-bingo.html" rel="nofollow">AIDS Denialist Bingo</a>!Dr. Dukehttp://www.chem1.com/acad/sci/pseudosci.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-75346150461729933062009-12-05T13:15:04.793+11:002009-12-05T13:15:04.793+11:00Dear Variations and Permutations of Anonymous,
D...Dear Variations and Permutations of Anonymous, <br /><br />Don't you find it just a tad ironic that are you getting yourselves all worked up over my identity?<br /><br />The only so-called scientist who dared name himself high-tailed it out the as soon as he realised he might have to answer a real question. For all I know he is still running.<br /><br />Dr. Noble, <br /><br />Thank you very much for the reference to, <br /><br />"Sequence homology and morphologic similarity of HTLV-III and visna virus, a pathogenic lentivirus"<br />MA Gonda, F Wong-Staal, RC Gallo, JE Clements, O Narayan, and RV Gilden<br /><br />If that's how HIV was established as lentivirus there's a small problem because a certain Nobel Prize winner had this to say about the paper: <br /><br />"Science published an article by his [Gallo’s] group that showed similarities of sequences between HTLV-I, -II, and –III, and then, more curiously, between these and the lentivirus prototype, the Visna sheep virus. The two sets of findings proved entirely false, and nothing from these two articles holds any longer. We were beginning to seriously wonder whether Science was not starting to compete with the Journal of Irreproducible Results! The Pasteur team, to clear the matter up, also unraveled the Visna virus sequence in record time…there was no significant homology between the Visna and LAV sequences."MacDonaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-12091853836939980092009-12-05T10:37:07.397+11:002009-12-05T10:37:07.397+11:00Anonymous wrote:
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Dr Duke, surely "M...Anonymous wrote:<br />"...<br />Dr Duke, surely "McDonald" IS one of the members of the Perth Group? Why do you think he's just someone who has dropped into this thread asking innocent questions?<br />..."<br /><br />He could be Maniotis, I suppose. But it does not seem to be Turner or Papadopulos-Eleopulos. But regardless of who the person is, they did not tell many direct lies here. Refused to answer all question, yes, and pretended to be "dumb" and yet knew a lot about AIDS denial and even a little bit about what Gallo or other real virologists have said over the years.<br /><br />So give them the benefit of the doubt. <br /><br />I am sure the Perth Group, now that they have been caught lying to the South African government, and some groups are calling for a formal investigation to press charges etc, are looking for what I guess the courts might call "willful ignorance" rather than fraud or willful negligence. They'd like to show now that they were simply ignorant, and not willfully lying to the government of South Africa. But if so, why use a fake name like MacDonald?Dr. Dukehttp://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/willful-misconduct.htmlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3403646328478439844.post-9110245739477725902009-12-05T09:55:45.767+11:002009-12-05T09:55:45.767+11:00Dr Duke, surely "McDonald" IS one of the...Dr Duke, surely "McDonald" IS one of the members of the Perth Group? Why do you think he's just someone who has dropped into this thread asking innocent questions? His posts are in exactly the same style as many others I've read on various message boards for several years now. The writing style is the same, and the content's the same. "McDonald" is no parvenu.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com